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25/11/2023 6:50 PM  #11


Re: Hampton and Richmond

Very frustrating. 
"...And so it came to pass, as we've all predicted... an entirely self-inflicted first goal, the result of poor decision-making from our own throw, going, first, backwards then passing across our own 6 yard area for the opposition to pounce and slot home.  They'd sussed us out in the opening moments., Their second goal was simply poor defending."  It has been coming... and in plain sight,too!!

  Thereafter, we picked ourselves up and started to go about our business, but at 0-2 down,  it always looked an unlikely comeback.
Second half, they sat back .. we had all the possession and a series of half/ quarter chances.  Our goal was fully deserved as H&R had offered nothing except invite us forward.  We only sprang truly to life, and looked dangerous, once again, in the last 10 minutes.  The really frustrating part was the fact that H&R were eminently beatable , and although a good side, had  frailties to exploit.
We have quality players up front ( as we have everywhere across the pitch) but I'm really not sure what is being asked of them sometimes.  MM was so deep at times he could have been mistaken for a defensive midfielder.  If Gary uses  AAH in a striker's role.. where do Fas and MM fit in? That's a subject for a debate on this Forum over the coming week(s) I'm sure......

Once again, a card-happy referee brought little to the proceedings.

Afterword: Don't know who put what in Welling's pre-match drinks, but it worked!!
 

 

25/11/2023 7:17 PM  #12


Re: Hampton and Richmond

Hampton definitely had us figured out from the start. Echo points raised - when will lessons be learned and there be a realisation by those in the dug out that this playing around at the back and thinking about defending as something secondary is more risk than reward? Do not understand why it is encouraged and seen as a good practice even though it costs goals. You can't gift teams at this level two goal starts.That we continue to give out gifts with this approach is predictable. Thought it took 75 minutes or so to suddenly do something different in our play other than pass sideways and backwards looking to find the perfect pass. The patient sideways pass against a team sitting back looks tidy but mostly doesn't come to anything. Fully agree that the striking situation needs to be looked at. Can't work McClure situation out. Is he a centre forward these days? Is he too starved of service to be effective? Just my opinion but can't remember coming across a striker who plays most of the game so far away from the penalty area. Our style? Maybe it will come out that him playing so deep is part of a tactical masterplan but it seems that unless we change how we use him, he will continue to be a number 9 who will not score consistently for us from open play.

Must be frustrating for the chairman and club that the crowd was disappointing after Tuesday night.

Last edited by Argus (26/11/2023 3:04 PM)

 

26/11/2023 12:10 AM  #13


Re: Hampton and Richmond

This playing across our own penalty area nonsense is always likely to cost us, and today it proved to be. Other teams don't play this way from the back....what a surprise! Apart from anything else Will Henry looks decidedly uncomfortable with it. After giving away two goals it was always going to be difficult. I wasn't overly impressed with Hampton but they did look comfortable until the last few minutes. Not a great attendance, disappointing after Tuesday.

 

26/11/2023 2:07 PM  #14


Re: Hampton and Richmond

Can’t believe we  keep sticking to this boring and risky way of playing the ball in and our penalty area(watching match of the day last night at least 3 occasions when playing the ball around the penalty area resulted in defenders making mistakes and nearly giving a goal away as a result). Maybe Funny Old Game, who based on his own postings likes this way of playing, could enlighten the rest of us as to its benefits. Yeovil and Hampton both got the ball forward quickly, very little mucking about around with short goal kicks and then playing around in and around the penalty area, and look where they are in the league. All too often our forward play is too slow until late in the game when we are left chasing the game. And then when we do eventually get anywhere near the opponents penalty area lucky if got more than one player in the area. But l suppose not surprising when looking at the squad on the website which lists 12 midfield players and a mere 2 forwards. I feel sorry for Matt McClure,who is a proven goal scorer, having to spend so much time coming back into midfield to look for the ball as he rarely gets the ball in or near the opponents penalty area. He needs support to make the best use of his strengthens. Like yesterday we won very few headers around their penalty area until AAH came on. 

Wonder if the players are as frustrated as most of the crowd playing the way we do.

 

26/11/2023 3:42 PM  #15


Re: Hampton and Richmond

Good God almighty the dinosaurs have come out to roam this weekend. Not surprising given the start of the game. 

Hampton are a full time hybrid and have a very sizeable budget and very experienced players.  An individual error for the first goal from Spokes and two poor clearances (us just trying to kick it up the pitch in case you missed it) gave them a head start. They defended very well and we are missing a couple of important attacking options that would have helped things.

As my name suggests, it is a funny old game, Dartford fans moan non stop about their style of play. Kicking it long and aimlessly all game. Our fans moan about passing the ball around out the back. Either way, you are damned if you do or don’t.

For the over 90s on here who moan, this is the clubs second best ever points return at this stage of a National League South season and joint first on most goals scored too. All with (I’m guessing here) our youngest and cheapest squad we’ve had at this level.

Next week is Worthing, which will be 90 minutes of short goal kicks and messing about with it from both sides. Get yourselves to Corsham Town instead ladies and gentlemen.

 

26/11/2023 3:46 PM  #16


Re: Hampton and Richmond

I'd be worried that we would concede goals playing across the back....even with no opposition.

 

26/11/2023 5:15 PM  #17


Re: Hampton and Richmond

Good God almighty the dinosaurs have come out to roam this weekend. Not surprising given the start of the game.

Like a trout to the fly, FOG, I will rise, elegantly I hope, to your provocation!!

I think the term "dinosaurs" is somewhat unflattering  and dismisses legitimate concern with a catch-all insult.  You seem to be conflating  supporter unhappiness with a particular tactic or feature of our play, with general dissatisfaction with our League position and performances.  Which is also unfair. We can de-couple those two straight away.

I'll say it again.  I have no problem at all in  CTFC being a team that plays out from the back .. constructively and patiently.  I'm proud we do it.  We are a footballing side. I do have a problem, though, with situations  where we are switching play across, and close to, our own goal with opposition players at our backs and facing our own goal. It just seems unnecessary jeopardy.  And it came home to roost yesterday,  costing us a point or even 3.  I don't think it's fair to name or single out Luke Spokes for blame here.  He had another, otherwise, fine game. It's a systemic problem not an individual one. More often than not, a quicker, more direct move of the ball upfield  has the same eventual outcome as the rolling of the ball across the penaly area. The difference is that there is a sizeable imbalance between risk and reward with the latter tactic.  I fail to see the obvious rewards in employing it.

Looking back over recent posts, I think  the majority of them  have celebrated (some of them in a rather  back-arsed way, I admit) the way we are playing now and feel very positive about the team this season. I certainly do.  The frustration is, that it feels sometimes we could be even more successful.

To end on a positive note:  At no point either yesterday or against Yeovil on Tuesday did I feel we lacked the quality and commitment to get back into the game... and even go on to win it.  I would have said that about very few  CTFC teams in the recent past. It might be easier to do so though, not having to limp.. having just shot ourselves in the foot.

 

 

26/11/2023 6:28 PM  #18


Re: Hampton and Richmond

Lots of huff & puff! Didn’t trouble H&R whatsoever! Gutted I didn’t go to Swindon!

 

26/11/2023 8:22 PM  #19


Re: Hampton and Richmond

Oh dear is it really necessary for Funny Old Game to use the terminology he does when he doesn't agree with what you post. We are all entitled to our opinion whether he likes them or not.

 

26/11/2023 8:38 PM  #20


Re: Hampton and Richmond

It’s funny how FOG appears to be wearing the same blue tinted specs as the Voice used to, that come with the same disdain of other’s opinions and observations.
Interesting that the Voice doesn’t post on here anymore….coincidence 🤔

#foolingknowone.

 

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