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08/1/2020 2:45 PM  #21


Re: Hemel

TheVoice wrote:

Common sense would dictate a point from last night is a welcome one and against a side like Hemel, one many would arguably have taken. This is going to shock you a little bit, but I left disappointed last night that we didn’t take all three.

Yes, we are young, yes we have inexperienced players and injuries and suspensions the same as a lot of other clubs but again to hold the lead twice, let it go twice and to a certain extent, hang on for a point in a game we did have the better of certainly in the first 45, is a little disappointing given the circumstances.

Amazing however, the difference in opinion regarding players, manager etc. Mark seemed fairly animated for his usual calm demeanour last night, shouting plenty of instruction to his troops as very audible inside a very quite stadium. Never been a loud manager anyway, prefers to do his talking in private but maybe frustration creeps in. Zebroski was poor again last night, I can only assume Wellard is his brother? TOE I will give you looked chipper but Zeb? That groin is definitely causing him problems. He needs to sit out the next one as this is now 3/4 performances on the spin well under the level.

All this chat about two lucky goals is a little bit controversial as well. Sloppy? Yes but gifts? Absolutely not. Jarvis runs down the defender and causes unrest between him and the keeper, gets there first and rolls it over the line. We caught a team early and it gets called lucky or a gift, we concede early last week and we are lazy, shit, not committed? It can’t go both ways. Tyler’s goal very similar, if a player is shaken then absolutely punish that, keeper looked hesitant and again we get there first. This isn’t luck, it’s called work rate, effort, determination and FINALLY we appeared to get something from that.

The goals conceded are another thing, a good goal from Midson for their first, players of his experience and quality find pockets of space on pitches and against Horton and Rutty who are the combined age of my socks, it’s unsurprising that it’s ended up in the net. The second, Pars is an experienced boy, young admittedly but experienced nonetheless and club captain and a constant in our back line for the last two seasons, that foul was completely unnecessary and he knows that, if the delivery goes into the Cricket pitch, no one cares but knowing how vulnerable we are to the diagonal ball into the back post it does seem madness that he would give the foul away there but he bounces back every time and will again.

Interesting point made by Wellard, this isn’t all about the manager. Has the chairman gone to the manager and asked “What do you need to get out of trouble?” “How can we help?” In his Post Match Interview, Mark was quoted as saying experience costs, well how much does it cost? And with plans to develop the ground maybe the focus right now needs to shift as we appear to be building for a National League South future but operating on a Southern League playing budget with no care shown to changing that deep into the season. We made a bit of cash on the cup run surely a colossal centre half to make up for Will can be found, surely a couple of additional bodies in the squad could be accommodated? Or are we taking our losses fairly confident this squad won’t go down and saving to have a crack at a better season next year?

One thing is for certain, Mark Collier needs to stay! He is the best manager we have had in terms of success since Saunders and whilst many have their opinions on Tom, he was successful here. Anything outside of Collier at this moment would be detrimental in my opinion. That’s his squad and we haven’t got the budget to change it, it’s the team he assembled and he deserves our support for all he has done at this club thus far. Truthfully the man needs a statue not a P45! But in absence of that just a little support would do nicely I reckon, encourage the players, encourage the manager and help the club push in the right way. That’s what supporters do, when the chips are down they remind the team and the people past the white line they have people behind them. If they need a boost be the boost not the person that drags them down.

Christmas period done, back at home Hemel have come and been a good test for our young squad and we can feel a little hard done by not to have all three points. Another few massive games coming up and we need to try and build on this.. a run of 2-3 games changes everything!

In Collier we Trust!! This team can and will get us out of this we just need to believe in it and back them to do so!

I never said Zeb was having a good game, just that he was working hard and getting a tackle in, more than most of the others. Please try reading the post again

 

08/1/2020 2:48 PM  #22


Re: Hemel

Bluebirds15 wrote:

Do we all believe we have an inexperienced side? Genuine question.

Puddy, case, Mcdonald, Tyler, zebroski, rigg, Parselle, Jarvis, chambers, hopper, Pratt, TOE all played copious amounts of football at conference south/north and above even gunner must of made 40/50 appearances over the last 2 years.

Maybe foulston, Haines who was arguably our best player  youssef And Rutty but those 2 have barely kicked a ball all year.

Am I missing something?

Yes, as usual. The point..

Last night we started with Foulston, Rutty, Horton, and had a 16 year old on the bench. That’s where the inexperience comes in. Also in terms of playing together they are fairly inexperienced. We are having to move things around to accommodate.

Case, TOE both criminally underused this season and not played many games lately which we all know is important to match fitness.. similar to Jarv who has spent time out of the team for ridiculous reasons.

 

08/1/2020 3:03 PM  #23


Re: Hemel

So your referring to Last nights game? Have we been inexperienced for the whole season? You can’t say experience costs money as a reason for possibly our bad form or underachieving when we have had plenty of experience all year bar perhaps last night. Sounds like clutching at thin air for reasons as to why we are where we are in the league. I think Neil has more than backed Mark with signings going by the merry go round of players coming and going it’s hard to keep up. If mark has then brought in the wrong ones that’s on him. The league is no better or worse than in previous years imo, every year 2 big sides go and 2 come down, players go between all the London clubs as usuall. We simply haven’t been good enough throughout the year to date. Marks done a fantastic job no denying that, but somethings not clicking.

 

08/1/2020 3:37 PM  #24


Re: Hemel

If you can't win. Then don't lose.

We broke our losing streak last night, moved a point in the right direction and gives us something to work with after a break. What ifs dont matter, its whats next that counts.

Yours in Cliches.
Ron


Want a bare knuckle fight? I'll knock you out you Cnut.
 

08/1/2020 3:41 PM  #25


Re: Hemel

TheVoice wrote:

Common sense would dictate a point from last night is a welcome one and against a side like Hemel, one many would arguably have taken. This is going to shock you a little bit, but I left disappointed last night that we didn’t take all three.

Yes, we are young, yes we have inexperienced players and injuries and suspensions the same as a lot of other clubs but again to hold the lead twice, let it go twice and to a certain extent, hang on for a point in a game we did have the better of certainly in the first 45, is a little disappointing given the circumstances.

Amazing however, the difference in opinion regarding players, manager etc. Mark seemed fairly animated for his usual calm demeanour last night, shouting plenty of instruction to his troops as very audible inside a very quite stadium. Never been a loud manager anyway, prefers to do his talking in private but maybe frustration creeps in. Zebroski was poor again last night, I can only assume Wellard is his brother? TOE I will give you looked chipper but Zeb? That groin is definitely causing him problems. He needs to sit out the next one as this is now 3/4 performances on the spin well under the level.

All this chat about two lucky goals is a little bit controversial as well. Sloppy? Yes but gifts? Absolutely not. Jarvis runs down the defender and causes unrest between him and the keeper, gets there first and rolls it over the line. We caught a team early and it gets called lucky or a gift, we concede early last week and we are lazy, shit, not committed? It can’t go both ways. Tyler’s goal very similar, if a player is shaken then absolutely punish that, keeper looked hesitant and again we get there first. This isn’t luck, it’s called work rate, effort, determination and FINALLY we appeared to get something from that.

The goals conceded are another thing, a good goal from Midson for their first, players of his experience and quality find pockets of space on pitches and against Horton and Rutty who are the combined age of my socks, it’s unsurprising that it’s ended up in the net. The second, Pars is an experienced boy, young admittedly but experienced nonetheless and club captain and a constant in our back line for the last two seasons, that foul was completely unnecessary and he knows that, if the delivery goes into the Cricket pitch, no one cares but knowing how vulnerable we are to the diagonal ball into the back post it does seem madness that he would give the foul away there but he bounces back every time and will again.

Interesting point made by Wellard, this isn’t all about the manager. Has the chairman gone to the manager and asked “What do you need to get out of trouble?” “How can we help?” In his Post Match Interview, Mark was quoted as saying experience costs, well how much does it cost? And with plans to develop the ground maybe the focus right now needs to shift as we appear to be building for a National League South future but operating on a Southern League playing budget with no care shown to changing that deep into the season. We made a bit of cash on the cup run surely a colossal centre half to make up for Will can be found, surely a couple of additional bodies in the squad could be accommodated? Or are we taking our losses fairly confident this squad won’t go down and saving to have a crack at a better season next year?

One thing is for certain, Mark Collier needs to stay! He is the best manager we have had in terms of success since Saunders and whilst many have their opinions on Tom, he was successful here. Anything outside of Collier at this moment would be detrimental in my opinion. That’s his squad and we haven’t got the budget to change it, it’s the team he assembled and he deserves our support for all he has done at this club thus far. Truthfully the man needs a statue not a P45! But in absence of that just a little support would do nicely I reckon, encourage the players, encourage the manager and help the club push in the right way. That’s what supporters do, when the chips are down they remind the team and the people past the white line they have people behind them. If they need a boost be the boost not the person that drags them down.

Christmas period done, back at home Hemel have come and been a good test for our young squad and we can feel a little hard done by not to have all three points. Another few massive games coming up and we need to try and build on this.. a run of 2-3 games changes everything!

In Collier we Trust!! This team can and will get us out of this we just need to believe in it and back them to do so!

Just listened to Colliers post match comments, Are you Colliers Puppet or his brother?, the comments you make echo exactly what he said. https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png

 

08/1/2020 3:54 PM  #26


Re: Hemel

Ronnie Pickering wrote:

If you can't win. Then don't lose.

We broke our losing streak last night, moved a point in the right direction and gives us something to work with after a break. What ifs dont matter, its whats next that counts.

Yours in Cliches.
Ron

Definitely a game of two halves. Neither manager would be over the moon with a draw, but both can take plenty of positives. We can kick on from this and move up the table. Shame not to bag the three points after scoring early doors but all the players put in a shift. I wouldn't be surprised if Mark has something else in his locker ready for the six-pointers coming up. Anyway, remember this - we are too good to go down!
 

 

08/1/2020 6:32 PM  #27


Re: Hemel

Wellard wrote:

TheVoice wrote:

Common sense would dictate a point from last night is a welcome one and against a side like Hemel, one many would arguably have taken. This is going to shock you a little bit, but I left disappointed last night that we didn’t take all three.

Yes, we are young, yes we have inexperienced players and injuries and suspensions the same as a lot of other clubs but again to hold the lead twice, let it go twice and to a certain extent, hang on for a point in a game we did have the better of certainly in the first 45, is a little disappointing given the circumstances.

Amazing however, the difference in opinion regarding players, manager etc. Mark seemed fairly animated for his usual calm demeanour last night, shouting plenty of instruction to his troops as very audible inside a very quite stadium. Never been a loud manager anyway, prefers to do his talking in private but maybe frustration creeps in. Zebroski was poor again last night, I can only assume Wellard is his brother? TOE I will give you looked chipper but Zeb? That groin is definitely causing him problems. He needs to sit out the next one as this is now 3/4 performances on the spin well under the level.

All this chat about two lucky goals is a little bit controversial as well. Sloppy? Yes but gifts? Absolutely not. Jarvis runs down the defender and causes unrest between him and the keeper, gets there first and rolls it over the line. We caught a team early and it gets called lucky or a gift, we concede early last week and we are lazy, shit, not committed? It can’t go both ways. Tyler’s goal very similar, if a player is shaken then absolutely punish that, keeper looked hesitant and again we get there first. This isn’t luck, it’s called work rate, effort, determination and FINALLY we appeared to get something from that.

The goals conceded are another thing, a good goal from Midson for their first, players of his experience and quality find pockets of space on pitches and against Horton and Rutty who are the combined age of my socks, it’s unsurprising that it’s ended up in the net. The second, Pars is an experienced boy, young admittedly but experienced nonetheless and club captain and a constant in our back line for the last two seasons, that foul was completely unnecessary and he knows that, if the delivery goes into the Cricket pitch, no one cares but knowing how vulnerable we are to the diagonal ball into the back post it does seem madness that he would give the foul away there but he bounces back every time and will again.

Interesting point made by Wellard, this isn’t all about the manager. Has the chairman gone to the manager and asked “What do you need to get out of trouble?” “How can we help?” In his Post Match Interview, Mark was quoted as saying experience costs, well how much does it cost? And with plans to develop the ground maybe the focus right now needs to shift as we appear to be building for a National League South future but operating on a Southern League playing budget with no care shown to changing that deep into the season. We made a bit of cash on the cup run surely a colossal centre half to make up for Will can be found, surely a couple of additional bodies in the squad could be accommodated? Or are we taking our losses fairly confident this squad won’t go down and saving to have a crack at a better season next year?

One thing is for certain, Mark Collier needs to stay! He is the best manager we have had in terms of success since Saunders and whilst many have their opinions on Tom, he was successful here. Anything outside of Collier at this moment would be detrimental in my opinion. That’s his squad and we haven’t got the budget to change it, it’s the team he assembled and he deserves our support for all he has done at this club thus far. Truthfully the man needs a statue not a P45! But in absence of that just a little support would do nicely I reckon, encourage the players, encourage the manager and help the club push in the right way. That’s what supporters do, when the chips are down they remind the team and the people past the white line they have people behind them. If they need a boost be the boost not the person that drags them down.

Christmas period done, back at home Hemel have come and been a good test for our young squad and we can feel a little hard done by not to have all three points. Another few massive games coming up and we need to try and build on this.. a run of 2-3 games changes everything!

In Collier we Trust!! This team can and will get us out of this we just need to believe in it and back them to do so!

Just listened to Colliers post match comments, Are you Colliers Puppet or his brother?, the comments you make echo exactly what he said. https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png

His parents must have been quite ******** active for him to be my brother mate considering he’s older than my mother? No ones puppet just a supporter who backs the manager and believes he was, is and will be in coming years the best man for the top job at Chippenham.

I don’t see it as a bad thing his thoughts echo mine and vice versa as I consider him to be a very knowledgable chap when it comes to the game and if the correlation between our individual thoughts are there, I’m quite happy with it.

It’s not just me either, I think the majority of CTFC fans share these same sentiments and back the gaffer in his endeavour that has so far led us to punching well above our weight class in terms of the pyramid. We are a Southern League club, dancing with the big boys and holding our own for the most part and have been a good few years.

I think if the minority stepped away from just wanting to be controversial to be cool, they would see that he’s the best we are going to get and that the club has come on leaps and bounds under his guidance. Show me a better candidate and I’ll happily entertain it, I’m all for progress and right now we aren’t progressing but at the same time I think he will keep us up, where as a gamble from bringing in another manager might prove incredibly short sighted and lead us down a path we don’t want to tread.

 

08/1/2020 7:34 PM  #28


Re: Hemel

Problem is I’m not sure it’s the majority,most I speak to agree that something needs to change.

So a less tongue in cheek question for all the blue tinted brigade, would you rather go down with Collier, rebuild etc.. or stay up with a change in management?

 

08/1/2020 9:14 PM  #29


Re: Hemel

Good experience costs a lot. A lot of clubs spend £600 - £900 per player in this league and from what I understand if we did that then we might have a decent 5 aside team.  It’s tough to keep going and going each year with a small budget.

I’d say previous seasons have seen us perhaps overachieve and I fear the big loss this year compared to others is Will Richards. He had the right mix of qualities between Parselle and McDonald.  McDonald looks heavy and sluggish hence why I think Rutty came in for him but he’s a 20 year old.

Zebs worked so hard but his first touch resembled a chewed up kebab with all the sauces.

Rhys Tyler did ok last night but highlights the lack of balance in our squad. Too many CF and not enough width.  Nothing a good loan can’t sort and I think if we get that we will have a lot more balance and create a lot more opportunities while being solid.

 

09/1/2020 9:39 AM  #30


Re: Hemel

TFT is spot on. We've got no width.

4-4-2 with the midfield consisting soley of centre midfielders. There's no outball to the wings.

A squad reshape is needed in my opinion, usually something that comes in the offseason.

As for going down with Collier and rebuilding.. why not? I personally don't think we'll go down but even if we did you'd have to give Collier a chance to rebuild and make a push for promotion again. It's the least he deserves. We wouldn't be in this division without him and Tom Jones.

I also ask the question whenever people call for a managers head (as a few have done on this forum) , who would you replace Collier with... there's not a ton of options out there. Be careful what you wish for

 

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